you're welcome Jozie.

I love alicia keyes what a voice on a beautiful woman.

I hope you are enjoying your long weekend! I am!

PLM WROTE: "Alicia Keyes at the welfare office singing Superwoman"

First of all, thank you for the video link. I've never heard this song. Alicia Keyes rocks!

I interpret the video to mean women can do anything. And the more I know you the more I hear that philosophy in your words.

So, while Ms. Suleman may not have been as hand's on as her mother would have wanted her to be, this time her babies may be so demanding and needful she'll have to step up to the plate.

Nadya Suleman orchestrated this drama. Now it's time to perform.

As Alicia sings, "I stand up and I'm searching for the better part of me . . . Gotta find the strength in me 'cause I'm a Superwoman."

In spite of all the odds Nadya Suleman made her dreams a reality. A woman with that kind of determination can raise her children.

SUPERWOMAN LYRICS
http://www.metrolyrics.com/superwoman-lyrics-alicia-keys.html

Yeah Jozie...

But is she a good mom or is she media savvy??

I too notice a face job. She spent her student loan money and her inseurance settlement on what plastic surgery?

Her mother said that Nadya doesn''t help with the kids much either as a mother and caregiver or a financail provider. and that was with 6 kids.

Look...I would never condone taking a mother's children away..unless they were taking care of their children. it sounds as though the grandparents has been doing that. but they are older the octuplets might just be the straw that breaks the camel's back for tow senior citizens. if those kids are possibly one day end up in foster homes... they would get slpit apart then. If Nadya can't handle ALL thse kids..make the decision now before she has to get to know them and then struggle and fail..just to loose them later.

There are homes out there who would welcome any of these babies and nurture them from day one.

I wish that one mom could handle these kids but she would have to be superwoman. Nadya supermwoman...super mom? hmmm... IDK.

Alicia Keyes at the welfare office singing Superwoman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK8t0gP4isE&feature=related

PLM WROTE: "if Nadya feels that she can't handle all these kids if she felt she made a mistake it might be the best solution."

Granted, if Ms. Suleman finds the task of caring for 14 children overwhelming because of a lack of assistance and no monetary donations, she may be forced to give some of them up.

However, this woman seems savvy at working the system. She has a publicist. Who's paying Ms. Kellar's fee? She's got a professional website. Who's maintaining that? Yet Suleman claims to be broke.

So if she's overwhelmed, somehow I think she's resourceful enough to find the help she needs to keep her family in tact. She's unique with her children. Without them she's just another mom.

Jozie the octuplets are very young some may have disabilities.

What is best for these children? keeping them together? possibly not. One family having 8 babies the same age...some more needy than the others. Some strong ...some weak. Some happy and outgoing. some introverted and never feeling enough love. 8 babies all at the same time.

If these kids were adopted they could have a chance at a normal life. I don't know if they have ever seperated siblings and allowed them to communicate with each other before.

And I am not advocating taking her kids against her will...absolutely not! Never should anyone's children be taken from them. But if Nadya feels that she can't handle all these kids if she felt she made a mistake it might be the best solution. You know not to hope this on her..but remember that woman who drowned her kids?

This story has put a lot of pressure on her. Everyone says she is unstable. What is best for these kids?

Would she decide to have some of them live happy lives with other parents. It would be very hard for a mother to give their babies...but women do it all the time... and she does have 6 kids already.

I didn't want to think she was having all these kids to get the money $700+ per kid with disability per month? I hope she didn't have the kids to get more money. I hope she had them becuase she wanted them..but this is such a large number of babies to love..even though she says that was her motive...this number of kids all the same age can't possibly get enough love.

Separating the children. What if you or I were the child she decided to give up because the house was too full? Can you imagine the emotional scars?

It's happened before. I'm thinking about the train children. Orphans sent by train to the mid-west during the Great Depression. Farm families adopted them to help with farm work.

ORPHAN TRAIN RIDERS
http://www.winonadailynews.com/articles/2007/09/22/news/03orphan.txt

Hi Jozie!

Well I'm glad she is home...because I agree with you whatever crazy gene she has ...all her kids need her. Kids love their parents unconditionally.

But maybe she should consider putting some of those kids up for adoption. She can't possibly give all those kids love and attention. There are so many parents who can not have kids who would give any one of those kids a home.

Nadya can't afford to take care of them all...financially or emotionally...what a pickle she's in!

Hey, PLM:

According to her publicist, who was on Dr. Phil today, Nadya Suleman is back at home in Whittier after spending a few days in hidding because of death threats.

Unbelievable that anyone would threaten her life. Suleman's children desperately need her.

According to analysts on HLN News, Suleman has said too much. Her big payday is jeopardized because the more she talks the more she angers people.

The plot thickens. The fertility doctor has another patient who is 40ish, pregnant with quadruplets and she has other children at home. She's also on welfare. Remember these fertility procedures cost $10,000 for each procedure. (per ABC news this evening - not yet on their website.)

Wow!! This story just blew up!!

The new page has an unblievable number of responses.

I've been away from the news and the computer...any news on what happened to Octo-mom?

I kind of feel sorry for her...and I definitely feel sorry for those kids.

Last I heard....All the media attention has made her run away! Where is she now?

PAUL SAID: "As for the premies, how much contact has she had with them since she left the hospital?"

Reportedly, she sees them everyday and holds each one for 45 minutes. One of them she holds longer because of his fragility.

Jozie said,

"Whenever possible it's best to keep a family together."

Then we agree to disagree on this. If she is found guity of fraud, she WILL be out of their lives. As for the premies, how much contact has she had with them since she left the hospital?

PAUL SAID: "the best thing is to remove the children from her"

If Ms. Suleman disappeared from the octuplets lives they would probably die. Premies need contact with mom in order to thrive.

The older 6 would miss each other.

Whenever possible it's best to keep a family together.

Ms. Suleman may be obsessed with having children, but that doesn't make her an unfit mother. She has some assistance with the children. Remember, her nanny was the first person interviewed outside the family residence?

She is being investigated for fraud and abuse.

Jozie:

The God plan was not mine, it was a friend's POV about this story. I'm a nonbeliever myself.

I believe the best thing is to remove the children from her. In her mental state, she is unfit to care for them. We don't need another Andrea Yates out of this mess. Right now, the welfare of the children takes priory over the needs of the mother. And that means making all the children wards of the court till this mess can be investigated for possible fraud and abuse.

I think she houd have a husband and/or partne before having any amount of childrn. They not only need a mother they also need a father ~~hello~~I dn want to be the one that works all day to take care of my kid and my taxes are going to be paying for hers now. I don like it at all!!!!

Children need their mother.

The octuplets would probably die without her. And her other children seem quite attached to her.

This family definitely needs monitoring and guidance, but to split them up would be the wrong move. As a society we'd be paying a heavier price tag if the children are scattered around the city or state. Those children didn't ask to be born. They shouldn't be expected to pay for their mother's poor judgment.

Octo-mom needs serious therapy,now this poor woman is begging for money,why didn't she use the money she got from the accident to take care of her first 6 kids? Instead of plastic surgery? They should take these 8 poor children from her,the doctor who implanted her,take his license away. If anyone sends this woman money,she will only use it on herself,not any of her kids! octo-mom is selfish!!!

It appears to me Nayda is either mentally ill and/or is gaming social services etc. to have a successsful baby making business. Either way this is not good for anyone and likely espeically not Nayda's children.
If Nayda is allowed to succeed by making a huge hoard of babies at government-our expense then this sends a message to other unemployed young women they should do the same. So I believe the state should consider putting her children in foster care and barring her from social services.

Paul:

God's plan? God also gave man the intelligence and technology to correct His possible mistake.

Further, God gave us free will. Ms. Suleman had the will, the desire for children. Through a set of serendipitous circumstances (a large medical settlement, an inheritance and student loans) she was able to make her dream of a house full of children come true. That, too, must be part of God's plan.

GENESIS 1:22
King James Bible: "And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply . . . "
http://bible.cc/genesis/1-22.htm

Jozie said:

"It's going to be tough for that family but she obviously loves her beautiful brood and sometimes love is all you need. It can create miracles."

Nice "Disney" thought, but I doubt that will happen. These children need proper care, lots of it. The mother is not capable both mentally, emotional or financially to do that. The grandmother who knows this saturation better than anyone and says her daughter is not able to do this. The only miracle I want to see is for authorities to step in and do the right thing before this ends in a very bad way.

If you want to look at this in a religious POV. God made this women barren. she was not intended to have children. The reasons for that have become clear, that was God's plan. It was only when man stepped in and changed God's plan. She is going against God's will.

After watching Ann Curry's excellent interview with Ms. Suleman all I can say is good luck to Mom and her 14 children. It's going to be tough for that family but she obviously loves her beautiful brood and sometimes love is all you need. It can create miracles.

Jozien said:

"If she doesn't need money from him to support the children perhaps he'll feel free to become acquainted with them."

I would be surprised if he does. I think the fear of being part of this freak show would keep him from coming forth. After all, he seeing how the press and the public are reacting to it.

PAUL WROTE: "He didn't step up for the first six, why would he now?"

Notoriety. Money. Curiosity. Becoming swept up in the excitement of good fortune, especially if she lands a big money/gifts deal. The other children came one at a time. Beautiful, otherwise unremarkable. Now that there are 8 all at once perhaps donor Dad will feel a sense of curiosity.

If she doesn't need money from him to support the children perhaps he'll feel free to become acquainted with them.

Jozie said:

"She told Ann Curry she thinks the donor will step up when he's had time to get used to the octuplets' birth."

Excuse me but isn't the he the donor of all her kids? He didn't step up for the first six, why would he now? If anything he's heading out of town as far away from this psycho mom as he can get. Hello Canada.

PAUL WROTE: "the state or county should step in and remove the kids before the next chapter of this story ends in tragedy."

Much as I hate to agree with you, as time passes and her lies continue to unravel, no one can predict what she might be thinking.

Did you see the bad-news-day.com article? If, as she says, the same doctor implanted all embryos, he did so after her mother and the donor asked him to stop and he agreed.
http://www.bad-news-day.com/a-bidding-war-and-a-row-over-ethics-how-the-suleman-octuplets-story-turned-sour

She told Ann Curry she thinks the donor will step up when he's had time to get used to the octuplets' birth.

Plus her mother didn't know she'd received a large settlement for a back injury, while mom continued to help support her and the children.

I'm very interested to hear what Ms. Suleman says tonight on "Dateline."

DeFazio: Let the jerks from Wall Street go work abroad & give USA COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQhtK82fqOc

February 10, 2009
DeFazio (D-OR)
Transfer Tax
Congressional Floor Speech
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner

how about that stock market today..

Can we say freefall like WTC7...

Jozie said:

Ms. Suleman is currently enrolled at CSUFullerton working toward a master's degree in counseling.

Once she graduates and gets a job she may be able to support her children. If, however, they have permanent disabilities they'd get care/assistance for as long as needed, like any other child

She's not going to graduate? This women is not even in the same reality that we are. She needs to be treated for her mental illness before she turns and ends up harming or even killing her kids. Face it, her kids are going to be a burden on the tax payers for a long time that part is clear, so the state or county should step in and remove the kids before the next chapter of this story ends in tragedy.

Ms. Suleman is currently enrolled at CSUFullerton working toward a master's degree in counseling.

Once she graduates and gets a job she may be able to support her children. If, however, they have permanent disabilities they'd get care/assistance for as long as needed, like any other child.

LATIMES article
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-octuplets10-2009feb10,0,1003761.story

Wow! Today just spoke a pregnant financial planner who did the math and figured out just what Nadya kids will cost in one year.. the amount is staggering!

22k food
500k housing
222k transportation
90k clothes
125k health care
150k childcare
$1.55ml total

and that doesn't even account for college tuitions!!

Wow...what will Nadya do??? One of the experts listening to this info...said that number was too low...she said there are 3 of the initial kids who are disabled..there is still no info as how many of the new 8 will be disabled?

And as jozie said the proof is now that those 6 kids have been receiving federal aid, food stamps and financial aid. Kaiser is asking that medi-cal (California welfare healthcare) reimburses them for the birth and care of these new babies.

How much more will the state have to pay out to support these kids until they become adults?

If DCFS allows this mother to bring these children home, then I've lost what little faith I had left in "the system".
GDLA said the house has just a few bedrooms, and that there were obvious signs of food on the walls. The house was unkept.
This woman should not only not get to bring home these 8 new babies, she should lose the other 6 and she should go in for a Psych evalutation. She's on Food Stamps and 3 of her children are on disability according to our local paper.

Why doesn't that surprise me- Jozie?

This Nadya goes on TV and lies ...the mom goes on TV and says her daughter is lying...Doesn't any of these people think that all these fantasies will somehow adversely affect all those kids and babies???

This story just keeps getting crazier and crazier...and the worst part is it may not have a happy ending?

Oh, lordy. Anderson Cooper just announced Ms. Suleman's mother says Nadya's on welfare and food stamps.

What continues to intrigue me about this story is Ms. Suleman's utter cluelessness.

In today's interview Ann Curry asked, "When does this stop being about you (wanting to give love and attention to a large group of children) and start being about your children?"

No clear answer.

Ms. Suleman is open to accepting gifts for the children. (Ah, here's where sponsorship comes in.) But she does not want welfare. Has she bought a gallon of milk, a loaf of bread, or a package of diapers lately? Doubtful.

I hope she's picked the right time and economic climate in which to realize these children. And while she might not be sharing with us where sponsorship will come from I hope she has a deal in the making. Having survived an unlikely birth, her children deserve a fighting chance at a decent life.

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Yeah Jared,

Possible...or also possible they put them to get all those kids out of their hair?

I agree Paul lot's of time on this Mom. Much more important things to discuss like

How about the stimulus package?

The new African American copy cat leader for the repoublican party?

Queen Noor's request to abolish all nuclear weapons?

So much going on in the world and we are all talking about this womb obsessed woman!

Eric,

In my opinion, way too much time has been spent on Octo-Mom already. She's a nut case, this is abuse, and CPS need to get involved. The kids need to be put in foster care and the doctor who did the implants needs to have his medical license pulled. End of story. And as far as who to believe, I will go with Octo-Mom's mother. The burden that her daughter is putting on her parents is a crime. These people should be enjoying there retirement not having to raise 14 kids.

The problem with the EDD has more significance since it's something that effects more people than the story of freakish Octo-Mom that only belongs in the tabloids. Please do a service and dig into the EDD. You will open a can of worms that will blow you away. You will help far more people than keeping the Octo-Mom story going which helps no one.

PLM

We bought a house that before we owned it it was a house that had rented to many house mates..

Every bedroom in our home has deadbolt locks on them also..

WE never put them there they came with the home...

wadada

Yes i agree with Jozie the room looks orderly...Pretty? Well that's another story!!

Hwever did anyone other than me (I am very detailed oriented:D)

happen to notice the double deadbolt lock on the kids bedroom door!! That lock appears to require a key to lock and unlock!!

Are they locking those young kids in a room without any way for them to exit? that window looks verty large...certainly large enough for several kids to get out...is this room on the scond floor?

Okay maybe I am assuming a lot here but why a double deadbolt on a little kids bedroom door?

Grandma did say it was at times too much for her to handle...now there will be 8 more little noise makers in a the house...this story gets stranger by the day!

Nice going, Tribune. If you hadn't fired the experienced people at KTLA, the ones with the institutional memory, you would have broken this story back when it was timely.

Instead, you people brought in a bunch of children with no news sense and no news judgment.

This story sat in KTLA's tape library for two weeks until someone remembered it. Incredible!

Eric,
Regarding the post about the EDD office, my husband has had the same experience. He's even gone to the office to see if he can get resolution there but it's the same story. They always tell him he has to call on the phone, but then he can't get through. On the rare occasion that he gets to speak to someone, they are rude and will not answer any questions. It's extremely discouraging for him, especially since he's been out of work almost an entire year. He was due a check two weeks ago but it's never come, so now he's trying to contact someone at the EDD office with no success. A story about EDD would be greatly appreciated. If you want to speak to my husband, please let me know and I'll give you his number. I'm sure he's not the only one experiencing this frustration.

Regarding your post about Ms. Suleman's interview, I noticed that she was much friendlier and forthcoming in the 2006 interview. She really seemed to enjoy the spotlight. As for the living quarters, yes, it's difficult at best to have so many children living in one small room. However, this is the situation she chose to have her children brought into. Being a mother is so much more than just giving birth; it also involves providing for the children emotionally and financially. As for her hoping that the donor will be involved in their lives someday, sperm donors don't typically become involved with the children. Again I say, Ms. Suleman needs a dose of reality.

It takes a village to raise a child, and it takes a village to help a woman like Ms. Suleman make the right decision about how many children to have. I know it's not my prerogative, but I'd like to know how she got accepted into Kaiser while already pregnant, and what on earth the doctor thought he was doing by implanting so many potential babies in a woman who already had six children, including two year old twins. Assuming all babies are healthy, their ICU care will cost about $400,000 per child or a total of $3.2 million just for the next month or two.

And how does one mother manage 14 children by herself? State regulations require a better caregiver-to-child ratio in day care centers.

Single women should certainly be allowed to have fertility interventions, but it is up to their friends, families, and medical practitioners to help them think through the consequences of their choices.

REGARDING THE SULEMAN FAMILY:
The photo of the children's room makes me snicker and brings back all kinds of memories of raising my two daughters. Kids are gonna be kids. That room looks orderly to me considering at least 4 children share that room. We don't see toys or dirty clothes. Doesn't that constitute clean and orderly in a kid's world?

What I find ironic is the difference in Ms. Suleman's tone in the KTLA interview two years ago and the current Ann Curry interview.

Two years ago Ms. Suleman sounded happy, enthusiastically anticipating the birth of twins. She was open. Easy to hear. Forthcoming.

In the Curry interview she's reticent, hard to hear as her voice dips low, her words slightly slur to gloss over answers that could be controversial.

Hey, I understand she's just given birth to 8 babies and she may be feeling protective of her brood, but it's curious that she appears to be shy, almost needing protection, in her current interview.

I'm still watching the Curry interview. So far her mother says she hasn't provided any money for the care of her 6 children at home. All her money has gone to the In vitro treatments. Ms. Suleman says her mom is mistaken. She lives in a house owned by her mother and, in the past, she paid rent.

The new babies are beautiful. Absolutely gorgeous. They look fit and healthy even as tiny as they are. Hopefully they continue to thrive.

I will check on this and post what I find out. Thanks for the tip.

Eric,

This may be off topic, however, I need help understanding the unemployment system. I registered on line, they sent me a letter to verify the information and it was wrong. I had to call the number to report their error, or delay my claim. The only provided number,(1-800-300-5616), is a recording that hangs up on you after it tells you they are too busy to help you. I don't understand how the 24 hour phone system can not be manned. You can not talk to a person.

It would seem the system is broken and maybe broke as well.

I don't think the system managers want to process new claims, and are delaying their response to delay the claim.

Can you help me understand this?

Jim DePue